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Edited because my original post felt a bit harsh. 
Also, read this journal, their take on the situation. It is stated much more eloquently than mine. www.deviantart.com/journal/Our…

My Initial Rant

People flipping shit because a breeder is doing his job. HE’S BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER TWENTY YEARS, WHEN THE HELL DID IT START BECOMING AN ISSUE?

I don’t understand the kind of threats he’s trying to succumb to. I mean, we have all heard the whining of anti-fur people, but if he’s being blackmailed, he’s obviously done something wrong in the past. He’s an old man, and he shouldn’t feel the need to pussyfoot around someone who threatens him. Honestly, he's done his business good, he hasn't been abusing his foxes/minks; why should a little threat scare him so badly? 

And for those complaining about colors. deviantART is a conglomeration of users of  all ages. Those who are whining about colors are immature. You want the color so badly? Either stay up all day and grab the color when you actually HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY (instead of just sitting there, posting comments about, “Oh, I was going to buy it, but my mom didn’t give me the money”), or raise your own damn foxes. Foxes are expensive to raise, so they're going to be expensive to buy. Quit being a brat and whining about colors that you can’t have because there are people in the world that actually have a job and the money to buy them.

For those packing up and leaving, what are you doing? Just because one man is having a bad day doesn't mean you all have to. Jesus Christ, it’s not the end of the world. deviantART is where you’re going to get a lot of business. Leaving to Tumblr and Facebook only is the WORST POSSIBLE IDEA for your business, especially if you’re not really established as a professional taxidermist, or even a well known one. However, I would respect your decision to leave, because it is your choice. No one can stop you from doing what you do, but make sure it's a wholly conscious decision and not a spur-of-the-moment choice because it's mentally instilled into your head that your business may suffer from this bad drama, when in fact very little of it is going to actually connect with your business. 

And people, buying a lot of fox pelts does not make you a bad person. There are people who will think that these pelts can't possibly be loved because the person has too many of them. This is not true. I have eleven burgundy pelts and while they look the same, they all mean something to me. I sold a very nice burgundy pelt way back, and I regret it ever since, so I started hording burgundies until I find that one burgundy who was the perfect one. And there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

Realise that drama is just drama and you can't change the direction that its path of destruction brings. Even if you move off of deviantART, if you have something about yourself that's drama worthy, it's going to blow right at you, even if you are on different sites. 

What is Most Likely Happening

And now it boils down to one of three things possible: 

A.) Breeder A feels threatened by the hostility and jealousy that deviantART is causing over his foxes, and feels that it would be best if he stopped selling these foxes, at least to the public market; he will most likely sell them to the private market because cutting off all fox breeding entirely will kill his business. He's been doing it for over forty years now; I'm pretty sure he won't have much to work with financial wise if he quits fox breeding. Well, aside from his mink farm. 

B.) Breeder A is actually being threatened by someone to stop selling his foxes, or to stop selling them to the private market/select individuals before offering them to the public first, or to stop doing something else. Now, this seems improbable, because as an old man who's been in that industry for hundreds of years a few decades, he should be used to the anti-fur melodrama that is spewed, and it shouldn't be the pinnacle of what makes him stop selling foxes. If he is being threatened by someone, it would have to be a threat to him or his family (I doubt he'd be worried if they threaten his foxes), or his business. Which again, I'm not sure how one can hurt his business since he DOES kill foxes for a living, albeit humanely. If it's family or personal, I may be worried, but most likely not.

C.) All of the above. It's quite possible that all of these things are factoring in to his decision to stop selling.

However, these are all assumptions. I have no way to actually prove that Breeder A is being threatened or what not. However, I can deduct from what everyone has been posting that one of these three answers IS correct, and it would be lovely if a member who is in on this little escapade to verify that it is correct. 

Edited because my original post felt a bit harsh. 

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FancyFoxTaxidermy Dec 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sad to see mars go. It's really annoying me...the jealousy of the whole fox colours.

Next we might loose Jason if people start getting jealous over his...  Although his made a pretty good job and seems to deal with crap like its cake. 

Rancher a is **** right?  Poor guy. Had to deal with jealous kids.

I really wanted to get a reverse cross fox off him next year! Hmm will have to find another breeder now I guess.   

His foxes are amazing! From the photos they all look so nice and what not.

People shouldn't be jealous...

I used to rely on the family for money until I got a job and heck I ain't even 15 yet. Although I save every ounce of money I can. I have been busy making contacts in the area and what not and I must say I have done a good job lol.  

This all happened so fast.   
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Yup, it is ****. I feel bad for him having to deal with the crap that people throw at him. Some people just can't understand that a business is a business and you do what you gotta do to make the money come in and make up for any losses. 

AND THAT REVERSE CROSS WAS UGLY AS HELL
I don't know why people see the beauty in it LOL :lmao: I'm the only person who hates that color. 
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FancyFoxTaxidermy Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha I am Inlove with cross foxes and anything to do with cross fox is like my holy grail.  

I liked how different the colour was.

I know. That's why I have been discussing prices for taxidermy with hunters trying to work out what a good price would be and I am still trying to make my mind up and I refuse to charge over $600 for a life size fox.   

If people have a go at me next year about my foxes I will spas.   
All of my foxes are reds and wild. Unpredictable in my words and if people complain cause their fur isn't long enough BLOODY DEAL WITH IT THEY ARE AUSTRALIAN...well sort of. I will be selling at ultra cheap prices so pfft. 

I love his foxes so much. I am dying to own one. And now he won't be selling publicly except to a few people....I don't want to beg people to buy me a fox and pay them...that sounds annoying. 
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InNaturesImage Dec 17, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I don't believe deviantART is business but passion. This isn't a shop but a site for art. I will continue to enjoy posting and ignoring the drama as a whole because I know that myself and quite a few other members are much better than that and I hope the people who feel they need to quit shall realize that too. :shrug: It's just a website.
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HALLELUJAH <3

It's nice to see people realizing that drama is just drama and you can't change the direction that its path of destruction brings. Even if they move off of dA, if they have something about them that's drama worthy, it's going to blow right at them, even if they are on different sites. 
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InNaturesImage Dec 17, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
:hug: Amen to that!
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TaxidermyGreer Dec 17, 2013
I'm just all-over curious as to what exactly was said to this breeder that caused him to pack up and stop everything?
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Same here. I don't know exactly what's going on behind the doors of Breeder A's life (and I'm 89% sure I know who 'Breeder A' is referring to), but from what I can gather, Breeder A feels threatened by the drama that the dA llama community has been spawning from jealousy over fox colors. People have been posting his pictures of the frozen foxes that they've bought, and those pictures are the cause of the drama, about how "it's not fair that you bought so many colors and haven't given other people a chance to buy them!" At least, from what I can glean. That's the way it's coming off to me.

And now it boils down to one of three things possible: 

A.) Breeder A feels threatened by the hostility and jealousy that deviantART is causing over his foxes, and feels that it would be best if he stopped selling these foxes, at least to the public market; he will most likely sell them to the private market because cutting off all fox breeding entirely will kill his business. He's been doing it for over forty years now; I'm pretty sure he won't have much to work with financial wise if he quits fox breeding. Well, aside from his mink farm. 

B.) Breeder A is actually being threatened by someone to stop selling his foxes, or to stop selling them to the private market/select individuals before offering them to the public first, or to stop doing something else. Now, this seems improbable, because as an old man who's been in that industry for hundreds of years a few decades, he should be used to the anti-fur melodrama that is spewed, and it shouldn't be the pinnacle of what makes him stop selling foxes. If he is being threatened by someone, it would have to be a threat to him or his family (I doubt he'd be worried if they threaten his foxes), or his business. Which again, I'm not sure how one can hurt his business since he DOES kill foxes for a living, albeit humanely. If it's family or personal, I may be worried, but most likely not.

C.) All of the above. It's quite possible that all of these things are factoring in to his decision to stop selling.
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Nakomii Dec 17, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
dA is not the BLOOD of business.

Most people somehow make it in the big old scary real world. :shrug: 
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I'm not saying it is, but it's one of the best places for others to see your work. You're not going to see many people searching the data of Facebook people or Tumblr posts to find TAXIDERMISTS. Unless you're established very well, with a site of your own, that somehow makes it on the top three pages of Google, you're not going to get as much business. If you somehow have contacts in the real world that will get you far, good for you. But for those who don't have that kind of luck, if they leave dA, they aren't going to see much business coming their way. 

After all, taxidermy doesn't have as large of a community as artwork in general. There's only so much you can taxidermy, and if there's a lot of taxidermists, someone's going to fall somewhere.
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